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* '''January 5, 2012'''
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== January 5, 2012 ==
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Attendees: T. Averett (W&M), G. Cates (UVa), J-P. Chen (JLab), D. Gaskell (JLab), B. Hesman (UNH), W. Korsch (UK), Z-E. Meziani (Temple), B. Sawatzky (JLab), P. Solvignon (JLab), S. Wood (JLab), X. Zheng (UVa)
 
Attendees: T. Averett (W&M), G. Cates (UVa), J-P. Chen (JLab), D. Gaskell (JLab), B. Hesman (UNH), W. Korsch (UK), Z-E. Meziani (Temple), B. Sawatzky (JLab), P. Solvignon (JLab), S. Wood (JLab), X. Zheng (UVa)
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Beam polarimetry:
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'''* Beam polarimetry:'''
    - Dave said there won't any problem to get a 2% systematics from the beam polarimetry but to get 1% he will need users contribution. However it doesn't seem that the two experiments need that level of precision after looking at the other sources of systematics.  
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- Dave said there won't any problem to get a 2% systematics from the beam polarimetry but to get 1% he will need users contribution.  
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- However it doesn't seem that the two experiments need that level of precision after looking at the other sources of systematics.  
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'''* Coils:'''
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- The important aspect is that the holding field should be uniform in the pumping chamber.  With convection, the polarized gas in circulating so fast in the target chamber that a minimal holding field to limit the depolarization should be enough.
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- Zein-Eddine suggested two small solenoids, one for the pumping chamber and one for the target chamber. Multiple advantages can be seen if it would work: smaller system which will fit easily on the Hall A and Hall C platform, more room to access the target during the experiment and therefore work can be done faster (ALARA).
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- Concerns on the Hall C iron platform were expressed
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- Need an estimate of the fringe field from the SHMS. Paul Brindza said that it won't be a problem but it will be nice to have numbers/field map.
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- The UVa group is working on the holding field/coil design and will test the different ideas suggested during the meeting.
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'''* Target:'''
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- Todd reminded that it was seen in the past that too much laser power on the pumping chamber could damage permanently the target.
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- Gordon pointed out that a two-pumping-chambers cell will allow to increase the gas volume to be polarized and the laser power.
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- Metallic target chamber should be OK with caps at each end.
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- Many efforts are being focused on the glass-metal sealed.
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- UVa will order a full scale two-pumping-chambers cell, fill it and test it. JP asked for another standard hybrid cell (3.5in pumping chamber diameter) for the JLab target lab.
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- Wolfgang has been working on FEA of of temperature distribution on the target cell: [[Media:He3Target_Temp.pdf]]
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'''* Lasers:'''
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- Laser procurement is an big issue. The COMET production was discontinued.
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- Todd had contact with Laser Operations LLC. The system looks promising and cheap: [http://www.qpclasers.com/products_SUltra.html here]. Todd will order one to test and if all aspects are good more will be bought by JLab, ...
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- Bill showed the laser system developed at UNH: 2.7kW narrowed laser (see his slides below).
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Coils:
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'''* Polarimetry:'''
    - The important aspect is that the holding field should be uniform in the pumping chamber. With convection, the polarized gas in circulating so fast in the target chamber that a minimal holding field to limit the depolarization should be enough.
+
- AFP will be used only for calibration: there will be significant polarization loss from this method with the new cell design.
    - Zein-Eddine suggested two small solenoids, one for the pumping chamber and one for the target chamber. Multiple advantages can be seen if it would work: smaller system which will fit easily on the Hall A and Hall C platform, more room to access the target during the experiment and therefore work can be done faster (ALARA).
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- Pulsed NMR is under development.
    - Concerns on the Hall C iron platform were expressed
+
- EPR can still be used.
    - Need an estimate of the fringe field from the SHMS. Paul Brindza said that it won't be a problem but it will be nice to have numbers/field map.
+
- With convection, the polarization gradient between the pumping chamber and the target chamber will be significantly reduced. So polarimetry in the pumping chamber should be sufficient.
    - The UVa group is working on the holding field/coil design and will test the different ideas suggested during the meeting.
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- A detailed study of the gas dynamics was recently published: [http://prc.aps.org/abstract/PRC/v84/i6/e065201 Dolph, Singh et al].
  
Target:
 
  - Todd reminded that it was seen in the past that too much laser power on the pumping chamber could damage permanently the target.
 
  - Gordon pointed out that a two-pumping-chambers-cell will allow to increase the gas volume to be polarized and the laser power.
 
  - Metallic target chamber should be OK with caps at each end.
 
  -
 
  
Lasers:
+
'''* Budget:'''
   - Laser procurement is an big issue. The COMET production was discontinued.
+
- Hall C should be able to start contributing to the A1n/d2n/pol3He target R&D in FY13.
   - Todd had contact with Laser Operations LLC. The system looks promising and cheap: [http://www.qpclasers.com/products_SUltra.html here]. Todd will order one to test and if all aspects are good more will be bought by JLab, ...
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Slides:
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   - from Patricia: talking points:  [[Media:Cpol3he_meeting_jan5_2012.pdf]]
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  - from Gordon: Conceptual design for the A1n targets: [[Media:a1n_impromptu_target_present.pdf]]
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   - from Bill: ''ex situ''  3He polarizer system: [[Media:Xemed-polarizer.pdf]]
  
Polarimetry:
 
  - AFP will be used only for calibration: there will be significant polarization loss from this method with the new cell design.
 
  - Pulsed NMR is under development.
 
  - EPR can still be used.
 
  - With convection, the polarization gradient between the pumping chamber and the target chamber will be significantly reduced. So polarimetry in the pumping chamber should be sufficient.
 
  - A detailed study of the gas dynamics was recently published: [http://prc.aps.org/abstract/PRC/v84/i6/e065201 Dolph, Singh et al].
 
  
 
Task list:
 
Task list:
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     - kappa_0 measurement
 
     - kappa_0 measurement
 
     - Get a SUltra laser and test it.
 
     - Get a SUltra laser and test it.
 
 
Slides:
 
 
  - from Patricia: talking points:  [[Media:Cpol3he_meeting_jan5_2012.pdf]]
 
  - from Gordon: Conceptual design for the A1n targets: [[Media:a1n_impromptu_target_present.pdf]]
 
  - from bill: ''ex situ''  3He polarizer system: [[Media:Xemed-polarizer.pdf]]
 

Revision as of 11:49, 6 January 2012

January 5, 2012

Attendees: T. Averett (W&M), G. Cates (UVa), J-P. Chen (JLab), D. Gaskell (JLab), B. Hesman (UNH), W. Korsch (UK), Z-E. Meziani (Temple), B. Sawatzky (JLab), P. Solvignon (JLab), S. Wood (JLab), X. Zheng (UVa)

The meeting goal was to gather all the spokespeople of the Hall C A1n and d2n experiments for discussion on the polarized 3He target plans. The general consensus was to use the same target system in Hall A and Hall C. Commissioning of the target system (A1n) would be likely in Hall A in 2015. In Hall C, the very preliminary schedule would put the start of A1n and d2n at the end of 2016.


* Beam polarimetry:

- Dave said there won't any problem to get a 2% systematics from the beam polarimetry but to get 1% he will need users contribution. - However it doesn't seem that the two experiments need that level of precision after looking at the other sources of systematics.


* Coils:

- The important aspect is that the holding field should be uniform in the pumping chamber. With convection, the polarized gas in circulating so fast in the target chamber that a minimal holding field to limit the depolarization should be enough. - Zein-Eddine suggested two small solenoids, one for the pumping chamber and one for the target chamber. Multiple advantages can be seen if it would work: smaller system which will fit easily on the Hall A and Hall C platform, more room to access the target during the experiment and therefore work can be done faster (ALARA). - Concerns on the Hall C iron platform were expressed - Need an estimate of the fringe field from the SHMS. Paul Brindza said that it won't be a problem but it will be nice to have numbers/field map. - The UVa group is working on the holding field/coil design and will test the different ideas suggested during the meeting.


* Target: - Todd reminded that it was seen in the past that too much laser power on the pumping chamber could damage permanently the target. - Gordon pointed out that a two-pumping-chambers cell will allow to increase the gas volume to be polarized and the laser power. - Metallic target chamber should be OK with caps at each end. - Many efforts are being focused on the glass-metal sealed. - UVa will order a full scale two-pumping-chambers cell, fill it and test it. JP asked for another standard hybrid cell (3.5in pumping chamber diameter) for the JLab target lab. - Wolfgang has been working on FEA of of temperature distribution on the target cell: Media:He3Target_Temp.pdf


* Lasers: - Laser procurement is an big issue. The COMET production was discontinued. - Todd had contact with Laser Operations LLC. The system looks promising and cheap: here. Todd will order one to test and if all aspects are good more will be bought by JLab, ... - Bill showed the laser system developed at UNH: 2.7kW narrowed laser (see his slides below).


* Polarimetry: - AFP will be used only for calibration: there will be significant polarization loss from this method with the new cell design. - Pulsed NMR is under development. - EPR can still be used. - With convection, the polarization gradient between the pumping chamber and the target chamber will be significantly reduced. So polarimetry in the pumping chamber should be sufficient. - A detailed study of the gas dynamics was recently published: Dolph, Singh et al.


* Budget: - Hall C should be able to start contributing to the A1n/d2n/pol3He target R&D in FY13.

Slides:

  - from Patricia: talking points:  Media:Cpol3he_meeting_jan5_2012.pdf
  - from Gordon: Conceptual design for the A1n targets: Media:a1n_impromptu_target_present.pdf
  - from Bill: ex situ  3He polarizer system: Media:Xemed-polarizer.pdf


Task list:

   - Cell testing: polarization loss with different field gradients
   - Holding field design: look at the small field idea
   - Cell geometry optimization
   - Polarized gas dynamics
   - Max. polarization test: need more lasers (2 more)
   - Polarimetry cross calibration and optimization
   - kappa_0 measurement
   - Get a SUltra laser and test it.